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When a Woman’s Had Enough !! -
An interview with Ms. Bettye Lavette at the Madison Blues Festival, August, 2003 – by Mark Thompson and Miss Peaches, a DJ in Madison.
Mark Thompson – “ How is the new cd being received?” Bettye Lavette – “ I am so grateful that people are taking pictures and writing. I’m just grateful. With all the publicity I’m getting, just imagine if the record company spent any money. This could finally save me. But the owner does this for a hobby – that’s the way he’s handled it … He’s paid everything – spent almost $100,000 on this album. . He doesn’t know anybody (in the business). It took me a year and a half to find him to get it out. He wouldn’t sell it to anyone. He wouldn’t license it to anyone or lease it to anyone. Doesn’t he want the money back?” MT – “Well, it’s out there now. I’ve seen it in stores..” BL – “ Yeah, it’s out there – that’s the only thing he has done is the Borders thing. Shanachie Records – Randall Grass – almost everything you see being done have been spearheaded by him. He has been acting just as if I were recording for him. ” Miss Peaches – “ What do you think about the last year and a half – the disc not getting out?” BL – “ It’s hard - it’s hard to be completely upset because so many people are trying to help. And so many people are trying to help the record company as well because it’s brand new record company. This is the first thing they’ve had that has gone international as well as national. I’ve got the greatest producer in the world –he’s a triple Grammy award-winning producer (Dennis Walker)- I’ve never won anything! I’m thrilled about the production and I like these tunes. I’ve never liked any my recordings. I’ve liked the songs but not the recordings. But I love all of these! I’ve just got to hope that people will continue to write about me and try to make something happen with this one so I won’t be forced to try to pull another one together so rapidly.” MP - “ How long has it taken for you to get the new one out?” BL – “ It took a 1 1/2 years – it was released in January, 2003. It took so long to get it out; the publisher let some of the tunes go that Dennis had written for me and one of them wound up on Shemekia Copeland’s album. It was written for me, so I was like ahhhhhhhhh!” You see how my hair is – I scratched all my hair out just worrying about this over the winter, was it going to come out? Couldn’t find the guy!” MT – “ How did you hook up with Dennis Walker?” BL – “ Randall Grass – he called me about seven years ago and he said he was calling to say he was a great fan. He said he had bought one of my records eleven years ago in Panama, no less, and a mutual friend gave me your number. He wanted to call and say I think you’re great! So we started talking and of course he tried to get Shanachie to sign me. It’s really unusual to have that much money spent on a “dead” artist. So I’m very fortunate in that. So Randall couldn’t get them to sign me. He said I’m going to find you a producer, or a gig or a manager or something. And he called maybe a year later and he said he wanted me to I want you to talk to this guy Dennis Walker. Dennis called and he sounded like such a hillbilly! And I thought – this guy can’t write any songs. So I told him to send me some of his stuff. So he sent me “Forecast Calls for Pain”, “A Woman Like Me” and “Right Next Door”. He writes stories and I’m not really a singer – I’m a storyteller. Dennis gives me something to say. He gave me actual stories to tell.” MT – “One thing from your past – you did Bubbling Brown Sugar with Cab Calloway on a tour. I just wondered how that whole experience was …” BL – “ That was the more fun than I’ve ever had in forty two years! I didn’t come from a musical family and I wasn’t in any choirs. The first time I sung was the first time I sung. It literally all happened in about ten days. One week I was Bettye Jo Haskins. The next week I was on the Atlantic Record label and my name was Bettye Lavette. But they made me come back and pay for that! We’ll get her later! The Bubbling Brown Sugar was from the Fred Astaire/Ginger Rodgers thing. I thought I would come out in a beautiful outfit, sing this one song and go out in the audience and sit with my friends. That’s what they do in the movies! So having that black tuxedo on and those silver tap shoes and learning to tap – and then standing next to Cab Calloway and Honi Coles – it was the show business I got in show business to be in. And I loved it; I absolutely loved it and would do it again at any time – that particular part. I don’t particularly like theater because I’m not an actress. But in musical comedy with a few lines spoken, it was very easy for me. I was playing the part of Sweet Georgia Brown, who’s was pretty much me! The tapping was hard. They taught it to me and I did it. I’m probably the only tap dancing R&B singer in the world!” MT – “ The other thing I wondered about that whole experience was - do you bring from that to your performance now?” BL – “ Absolutely – I look completely different than all of my contemporaries. Before that I had pretty much had your regular stand there and sing. Maybe I danced a little bit more but only because I was younger. Now every position is staged no matter how natural it may look. It comes from the theater. It’s a completely different look. If I make a step, do a whole step and make it very dramatic. So I learned a tremendous amount. Right now I’m calling upon every single thing I’ve learned in 42 years. And I really believe that if the early records had been hits I wouldn’t be this talented. Because I would have gone with the record and that would have determined what I was going to do. Not having a hit record, I had to learn anything that came up. MT - “ You have to be the only artist I can think of that tried to get out of their contract with Atlantic Records.” BL - (laughter) “ Oh no, there are some other stupid artists! I’m not the only one - maybe they didn’t do that particular stupid thing. Jerry Wexler gave me a release from the contract. He said “I’m going to give you this $500, honey, because you’re going to need it!” The man told me, don’t leave now - we’ve got a new producer and we‘re going to put you together with him. This was before Aretha signed with them. At that time the word producer really didn’t mean anything. And the words Burt Bacharach meant absolutely nothing and that’s who he was talking about. Who knew? I’d of stayed had I known. I went back three different times on labels that were owned by Atlantic.” MT - “ If I remember correctly, your new recording is only your second full LP or cd in forty years?” BL - “Yeah, because the one I did for Atlantic in 1972 was just released two years ago by a friend of mine in France. Here again, friends bought it and put it out on his label. He got together with Munich Records, who called me over to Holland to do a live cd. Again, two companies getting together to help me- lets release both discs at the same time and try to give her a big push. That’s what they did.” MT - “That was another question - how all of a sudden did you get discovered ?” BL - “It was done deliberately. They had never talked with each other before but Giles in France got with Ben at Munich and said let’s release them at the same time. They used the same distributor. They were trying to get me an American deal. Although they didn’t - “Let Me Down Easy” has gotten me everything I’ve ever got. When I was out playing, that’s what people wanted to hear. That song has gotten me everything. When they called me to do Bubbling Brown Sugar, they said we called you because one of the producers had remembered “Let Me Down Easy”. “ MP - “ Where do you see yourself going at this time?” BL - “I won’t be pushed into doing another cd because I want really want to take time and find the tunes. I think I have to have another CD. We were hoping that maybe I could at least get a Grammy nomination. That would give me a little more time. But you have to sell a certain amount of records to get a nomination. The record’s just not being distributed properly, so I can’t sell the certain amount. We don’t have a deal in England. People are still buying my first record, so I know they would buy the new one! I have no idea of what happened, why there’s no deal. I’m scratching my hair out. I went to get my hair done and my beautician said do you know that you have a big bald spot here and one over here.” MP- “ Does all of this cause you to have any apprehensions?” BL - “No, no no, - because I know what’s in my show, I know what I put in it. Any where the show has been seen, it’s worked. Whether I was broke, had a record, whether people had ever heard of me or not. That was one of the things that my manager, who is now dead, had instilled in me. He came from the big band era. .He played trombone with Jimmy Lunceford. He didn’t like R&B and hated all of my records. He said this bullshit is not going to take you anywhere. He said you better learn “Lover Man” and “Lover Come Back”. He made me learn those tunes. Those are the tunes that kept me alive when the records weren’t selling. I could walk into a place and just stand at the piano and sing. That was Jim Lewis, who managed me for 15 years. He ignored the whole record business, which was not good on one hand. I could of maybe gotten a deal at that time. He said, look, you’re a good singer- learn these songs. He took me to vocal training, staging, everything. And when Bubbling Brown Sugar called, if I didn’t know “God Bless the Child” and “Sweet Georgia Brown”, I wouldn’t have gotten the part. How many R&B singers do you know that know all of the words to “Sweet Georgia Brown”? Jim said you are a singer and you should be able to do it all of your life, whether you have a record or not. I’ll be able to work until I die as long as I can get up to the microphone. And that just requires me staying healthy. I have to workout, drink a certain amount of water. I’m too old to be doing this nineteen-year old show. Actually, I feel my entire 57 years!!!” I’m only happy when I’m performing. Before I go on, I have to go to the bathroom about 96 times. Then I can go on stage for five hours and not think about anything. I don’t think about anything on stage. If you notice, there is a piece of paper in front of me (on stage). It has everything I’m supposed to say because my mind goes blank when I go on. I can’t remember - I forgot to introduce my family one night.! So they write me little notes - say this, look over here, wave to this person.” MT - “I was wondering if there is a particular instrument that you focus on or like to hear on stage?” BL - “ Yes, keyboards. You know I had the same musical director and keyboard player for 30 years. He just passed away a year ago January just as all of this was getting ready to start. I was floored for a moment. Mostly everything I did and acquired, I did with Rudy (Robinson). I said I just have to go on. And these guys, my band, are so devoted to the music. They are rehearsing even when I’m not there. They are running the show. That’s why I am so grateful to them. They just kind of rallied around me and take care of me. They always want to know if - did we do that right? I just love it. So I listen to that keyboard. Rudy and I did a lot of gigs together - just he and I. And Rudy had such a great left hand. People would invariably come and say - there’s only two of you? Who’s playing bass? Rudy was right there with the left hand (Bettye sings a bass line). So I was trained to listen to the keyboard player.” MT - “ Is there a keyboard player you’d like to do something with?” BL - “Not really, because most of the better players who record on their own aren’t capable of accompanying. I find that to be one of the harder things to do. I’ve worked with some great keyboard players that played all over me because they were great and they wanted to hear themselves. I don’t know any keyboard player I would want to work with that hasn’t been just a keyboard player in a band. His attitude is like mine - we both want to wear the red dress!” MT - “ Is there anybody you’d like to do a duet with?” BL - “ At one point, I wanted to do one with Bobby Womack. Then he started hollering a whole bunch and his attitude changed. I thought he’d probably holler all over me and I’d wind up kicking him between his legs. I would be honored and flattered if Ray Charles would do something with me because he sings in a manner that accommodates my voice. I phrase very much like him. That’s where I learned a lot of my phrasing from. Also Booby Bland. If you could put my songs in another tone, you would hear Bobby Bland. I phrase a great deal like him, too. He and I were really big friends in the 1960‘s and 70‘s. His wife pretty much keeps him away from everyone now . I actually did a gig with him and didn’t even see him. She literally saved him and I’m grateful to her. I wish that I could see him but she doesn’t know me.” MT - “ How did you come to do your version of “Damn Your Eyes”? “ BL - “ I was on my way to do a gig with Rudy as a duo. And I stopped on the way, bought the record and took it to him. I really felt this tune and I felt that Etta (James) threw the tune away. And this was a woman that I wanted to be when I was a kid. But it just was not her song. It was mine. I feel like she could have sung it better then she sung it. I heard all of the ins and outs of it. I did the arrangement myself. It just fell into my mouth. I usually don’t do tunes by living females.” MT - “ So you are looking for new songs?” BL - “ Yes - so if you hear something you think I can sing, send it. I have to hide from Kevin (husband) when we get up in the morning because you know that he has everything that was ever recorded. Kevin says, baby, I got ten tunes I want you to hear. I’m like, Kevin - do I have to listen to all ten now ?? And this is every day!! But he has made me fall in love with James Booker, piano player from New Orleans and with Delbert McClinton. I’ve chosen two of his tunes.” MT - “ Well, Etta James … ( does several McClinton songs on her latest disc Let It Roll) BL - “ I just found that out last week, so we are trying to get the cd to see which ones she did. We’re hoping that it’s new stuff. “ MT - “ Thank you very much for your time.” BL - “ Thank you so much, so very much for everything that you are doing.” Discography - Souvenirs - Art & Soul - 2000 Let Me Down Easy: In Concert (live) - Munich - 2000
A Woman Like Me -
Blues Express - 2003 |
